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very restricted. they haven't shown any specific threats in florida. so i don't think she's going to issue a gag order, and i think it's gonna be assisted by what's happened here in new york. >> yeah, i think dante is ready if you listen to the arguments or comments yesterday in court i think the bigger thing on her plate right now are those motions express. i'm in the fourth, fifth, and sixth amendment constitutional arguments that they made today or have some meet and have some legs so she's got to have your hands full those decisions coming up. gag order is kinda the menu is yeah. but but at the same time, i mean, they're asking for something and that's not it's different from in new york, they're asking to gag him from attacking the fbi who was not part of the process. the process, but they're not witnesses. they're not jurors, are not family members, which is what the gag go have covered in new york. >> i think it's fair to say. i mean, look, i was sitting in the hearing with judge merchan he he he tries it's to walk that line very carefully. he he is not a frivolous judge he

sees an exceptionally experience. >> he's intelligent guy, he's fit as a fiddle because i got a central casting donald, perfect, judge, you'd get him. >> all right, everyone. dante mills, michael van der v01. thank you both very much. and thank you. you for watching news night. laura coates live starts right now we begin with that breaking news out of new york today. >> one of the most progressive democrats in congress is now out of the seat. cnn projects george latimer has now unseated jamaal bowman in a historic and bitter primary and new york 16th congressional district, pro-israel groups had back latimer, a moderate and funneled millions of dollars into this race to unseat bowman. and they were successful. it is the most expensive house primary race in all of american history. now, this could have implications far beyond just the 16th district in new york. it's not just a local race. we're

talking about. for one, it shows just how divided the party is on israel's war in gaza. use a critical issue that his frankly dog democrats and president biden's reelection to bid bowman a two term progressive has been one of the loudest critics of israel's war and latimer on the other hand he's expressed support for israel, though to be clear, this election had a lot of other dynamics at play. it was not a one issue raised with latimer accusing bowman of caring more about his national profile, then his local constituents. here's latimer on that point, just last hour on cnn when you lose touch with your district, when you're not on the ground enough. >> and when you are more concerned about your national profile john, the major media outlets which are not in the neighborhoods that you need to be at all. the neighborhood you need to be in, then you lose the focus and you lose supporting your district well nationally, this is an undeniable blow to the party's

progressive wing and bowman is now the first member of the congresswoman aoc is led squad to lose a primary challenge this cycle. >> now there's a lot of coverage on all this ahead and a lot more racist to go. and in a minute we'll hear from former new york congressmen joe crowley. but are miguel marquez he is at bowman headquarters with his reaction. but let's first for a moment, get to cnn's harry entin, add the magic wall. i've got quite the spread here of people to give their expertise and talk about the issues harry entin, good to see you talk to me about this race. how did latimer pull this off? this was a two-term incumbent. >> you mentioned spreads. i should note i was up in the 16th district last week. i was getting carvel. you got food on my mind anyway. anyway, i can talk through it all day. my you know, we we stopped to hit up a diner anyway. all right. let's talk about new york city, 16th district. we got the yellow checkmark by george latimer, a clear victory here here we're talking double digits. you rarely, ever see an incumbent lose by double digits and

you'd speak about how did he do it? well, let's go in on a county level. all right. jamaal bowman held that rally this past weekend in the south bronx, which i should note is not actually part of the 16th district, but we basically i'm going to show what the bronx is made up. well the bronx actually went for jbeil bowman. look at this and 84% to 16% margin. here's the problem, something i saw throughout this entire campaign, it seemed to me that jamaal bowman didn't know who is constituent square and george latimer did because the fact is you see this margin in the bronx, but let's go up to westchester county. what do we see westchester? county, which makes up the vast majority of this district, george latimer, 62% of the vote, jamaal bowman, just 38% of one other thing, progressives like to argue, they like to argue, okay, you know, when are voters turnout we win, but luck here in 2022, that was just a little bit less than 40,000 votes already was still a lot of votes to be counted look here already about 61,000 votes already cast in this race, or the fact is

laura, more people turned out this year, then turned out for two years ago, and it seemed to me that those voters, especially in westchester county, overwhelmingly went for george latimer the don't think for a second that john king didn't notice that drag from the bottom. who did that magic wall? i'm just saying i saw it. >> it's kudos to you. >> but the outside spending is what people have been talking about in this particular race. >> i mean, it was through the roof. the most expensive primary and american history we're talking about the 16th district in new york. and my husband from the bronx so shout out to the bronx. but the idea here, you had all this outside spending is very telling it is, but you know, a thing i should point out about this, you know, i want to go back two years ago and i wanna know that jamaal bowman was in trouble in this district long before any of that spending started, you know, you go back to 2022 jamaal bowman, frightening humbling, gotchas. 54% of the vote. yes, the spending help. but here's the deal. george latimer has been a politician in westchester county before i

was born also notable that george latimer was somebody who was well, like, completely across the work got endorsem*nts from all over westchester county more, than that. he led in this race, basically from the start when he got in, he was leading an internal polling in january before any of this money got really spent on there? yes. did the money help? yes. that israel play a part in this campaign? yes. but as you hinted out in your opening, this election was more than just about israel. it was about local politicians. george latimer was known throughout west chester and it paid off tonight. >> that's really telling figure you just gave us there, harry end and thank you so much. i want to bring in cnn's the yellow mark has live outside campaign headquarters for congressman bowman in yonkers, new york is inside of new york city. miguel bowman, he just spoke. what was his message and his supporters? >> not surprisingly, he was defiant saying that he continued to fight for all the issues that they were fighting for, whether it's medicaid for all they care for all or free

palestine. what did he said that he would continue to fight for free palestine back got the biggest cheer in the house he was upset about the money his campaign, the the the progressive left that work with his campaign was extremely upset. $25 million spent in this campaign, about 15 billion of it came from the super pac associated with the american israel political action committee. he was very upset about when he conceded today, he's said he didn't have one opponent, but opponents and the other this would be our and

what his campaign is saying and what the progressive left that worked with his campaign is saying, is that cori bush in st. >> louis to be the next target for apac. but look, as harry was saying, this district is much more moderate george latimer is extremely well-known in this trick and it was gonna be very difficult rates for bowman no matter what the money book, the airwaves here we're a wash in ads for apac was funding the ads, but they weren't crow israel as they never mentioned gaza. they only talked about how close each candidate was the bush that may have been the most interesting thing of this campaign. both latter end benjamin bowman both said they were the best ones to serve joe biden and we don't hear that in a lot of campaigns anywhere. back to you. >> and mark has. thank you so much joining me now, former new york democratic congressman joe crowley, serve in congress until 2019 when he was unseated

by congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez in a democratic primary. congressman. thank you so much for joining. i mean, these numbers are significant if again, and it's an advocate to have bowman be unseated in this fashion. it's an upset victory in many ways, but here was latimer on cnn, just the last hour with my friend abby phillip talking about why he thought he wanted listen i didn't win it. on the national debate. i wanted because i went door to door where i could. >> well, throughout this district and i talked to people about the issues they wanted to talk about, which included what's happening in the middle east. >> but really prioritize domestic issues, things of affordability, housing, restoration of the salt tax deduction. so i think that the constituents that i talked to are the ones that i am most interested in their point of view. and that's the one that i'm going to try to focus on he went on to talk about how this had been mischaracterized as progressive. >> again, somebody who was not, but he himself said he is progressive. >> do you think that bowman lost touch with his

constituents or is this the fact? >> durham domestic versus foreign policy taking precedent? >> i'm not convinced this is a great seat for bowman to begin with. i think that was represented numbers that i think was harry had said about the last election. he did oust eliad angle 25 plus year incumbent. i think that happened as lot to do with the boy knows someone the boy, you know, them. and i think that in this particular race, both candidates are very progressive. so i really don't think it was on those issues. i think it had do more the formance above in the maybe more than bombastic performances of bowman throughout the last couple of years. in particular. >> and it was mentioned of another member of congress, congresswoman cori bush, also having a race where there is funding by a pack for her opponent. it's somebody wesley bell, prosecutor who was i believed the one to decide not to prosecute an officer in the shooting death of mike brown in

ferguson does this some message you think on a national scale, four members of the progressive left. >> i think that when you see an election where they have been effective in terms of winning an election actually encourages. doing more. i don't think it's not again, the issues i think it's going to be about the money and i do think that the pro-israel groups do not look at busch as an ally and therefore may take the very same types of here but every district is different. what's happening a west tariffs or another bronx is completely different than what's happening in the middle of the country. >> when you look at the identity of a party, we often see that being raised me and jamaal bowman, a black man and educator i think using this 40s, latimer, not any of the things i've just described. there is a visual distinction that people often look at this signal. anything to you about the future of the way the democratic party is shaping up to voters? >> well, i do think that in many respects this might be very beneficial to the

president in that the seeds be a swinging the pendulum. it went very far left in 2018, 2020, to some degree in 2022, but it's common solid to come back to them. i think it's going to be beneficial for the president of the day, but will be able to speak to the middle of the country and not necessarily look at the end of the day we all come together as democrats. we understand that president reelecting president trump is not good for anyone, not a good for american akre for the world. and we need to come back. but i think it will give the president an opportunity, maybe move towards the middle again, appeal to republicans as well. >> i think usa to think about that. and how this might bowed for president biden, who's undoubtedly watching this race and thinking about the composition of congress. but money in politics is something you can't deny when you look at a race like this, the most expensive race in the history of this country, 25 million bucks in ad spending alone. what is this? say about the influence of outside money? it says a lot, there's no question about it in citizens united. >> it has been a disaster for

politics in america. everything though that was done in this race. to my understanding, was law-abiding. they follow the rules of follow the law and both sides have have access to money in terms of this particular race. if you look at bowman's numbers, most of his money came from outside the district. i know that's been a criticism of lotto number for the same, but latimer had most of his money come from with inside the district. so i do think that's important. look at being able to raise $103 for millions of people is a benefit that not many members of congress have in fact, very few have that. so they have to rely on the system and that is his tupac's. and through individual contributions. and then in some cases, even by outside money, i don't like it. i think it's abused by all sides. left, right, middle, and i'd like to see that change, but that's going to take change. the supreme court or at least changing the constitution to make it clear that that type of money is not acceptable in american politics. well massie primary. i wonder how this will boat as a preview to a bigger race, the presidential race going in november, congressman,

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together. that's what we usually did for me i'm paula reid in washington and this is cnn preparations for thursday's debate, continuing for both president biden and former president trump. >> but what that prep actually looks like, well, it varies for who you're talking about trump assign the washington examiner is very hard to prepare for debate it's in that debating as quote, an attitude more than anything else. now on the other side, president biden is still at camp david for what is now his fourth day of debate prep. and according to a source with direct knowledge, biden his team are staging different practice runs of varying length to prepare for what will be the 90 minute debate. >> and the goal is it's refined both the substance and of course the stamina that's required to endure that event. source adding these, rehearse,

which is part of a quote long working days. now for biden senior staff staying and cabins overnight at camp david, it's a full fledged to fair joining me now, the democratic governor of colorado, jared polis, governor. thank you. so much for joining me today. >> i mean, we're hearing a lot about the prep. >> you are no stranger to what it takes to prepare for debates. i wonder in the world we're seeing where trump seems to be downplaying his debate prep if there is any biden going all in what do you think is the most effective way to prepare? >> i can tell you what you don't debate prep looks like and i've been through it, i've been at this rodeo, i've run for statewide office twice and one. so you have somebody playing the other person. so there's probably either a person or people that are playing donald trump. he's kinda an easier character, easy character to get down. and what you wanna do but as you want to practice the likely questions, a number of times, and then you want to make sure you have several zingers that are ready to go and several comebacks that are ready to go. and those are the leinz that people

remember, right? people often don't remember what policies you talked about. you look at what comes out as some of the big debates. did you land the hips you're supposed to land? and did you respond correctly? it hit back when they hit you and you want to get that right? you want to get that quick, you want to make it look easy. and of course it's as much about how you look is what you say. and so i'm sure the president is practicing his poise is confidence and coming across the right way and paint coming authentic, having the hearst zingers and whatnot, you've got to deliver them in a way that seems natural and not someone going oh, you practice that for quite some time. but if the strategy i'm interested in as well, because we do have reporting tonight that when it comes to foreign policies, specifically governor biden is going to attempt to paint trump as somebody who is a loser, who is too dangerous and reckless to be the president. again, is that an effective approach when dealing with someone like trump? >> well, it's certainly a big risk for donald trump is coming in and saying somebody that's completely incorrect in the foreign policy. this is an area that joe biden as well foreign relations committee, vice

president, president. he knows his stuff inside and out. i think it's a strong point he can play to that. fundamentally, this is not a foreign policy election, but do people care about the world and they care about ukraine, israel absolutely. i think first and foremost, they care about costs and inflation in the economy. and i'm sure a lot of that will come out as well i said that trump seems to be downplaying and his recent interviews about prep, it's more of an attitude and anything else, but there is reporting that he has have a number of his close allies that are helping him to prepare. >> and we've seen was going on at camp david at least through the reporting. i mean, trump is prepping with the likes of some by the way, on this list, are people who might be on the shortlist for being the vice presidential pick. >> what do you think is the tactic that trump is trying to display by suggesting? >> it's no big deal, maybe. >> well, some of it is the expectations game, right? i think they want to be able to say if he commits a couple of gaffes, oh, it's because he didn't practice. so there's always that expectation gave happening and i think expectations are high for

donald trump going into this and the president needs to really exceed expectations here, which he can. and i think he has a lot to talk about and i hope he focuses on the future, right? not just his accomplishments. we've come along way the economies roaring back, but also the plans for the next four years and the fundamental differences between the vision for america, united under joe biden moving forward or back to the chaos? so the past under donald trump, interestingly, hillary clinton had not bad the new york times today where she talked about the exercise in futility, trying to refute or fact check in real time someone like donald trump and one of the things she mentioned with talks about you just said, is the idea that let him try to articulate in artfully or ineffectively or incoherently, the policy stances key in fact, has do you agree with the idea that it's an exercise in futility to try to refute him in time and then said, maybe give the rope of yet explain what your positions really are. >> well, if it hadn't been used already, the great ronald reagan debate line there you go again, would be a great one. on

here, but something along those lines, you cannot get into this for tat on every issue. there's no question that donald trump will say things that are false, demonstrably not true you're not the person there to correct them when everything i think some leinz and it helps you pivot off of that is hopefully what president biden is is practicing. and we'll be able to deliver on without getting he said he sat on every single issue. in fact, i mean, there's the personality aspects here and the antics that undoubtedly will come. >> but then their voters who want to hear their responses. and we know that immigration is going to come up. we know the economy is going to be an issue. we know reproductive rights, and then with the economy that's a pretty broad umbrella term. but the personal economies for people are gonna be so important to have questions answered. you have been really championing the issue of affordable housing, which comes under that same purview. what are you looking to hear from both about this issue? >> yeah. i think when people save economy, it's, it's too far move. this is really personal for people. it's about costco and up it's about

groceries costing more. it's about housing costs. more. so talking about real solutions in colorado, we remove barriers to housing, made it easier to build accessory dwelling units, reduced paperwork, reduce bureaucracy, reduce the legal costs associated with it to create more housing. i think if president biden can lean into this abundance agenda how do we create more housing for people of all income levels, right? in colorado, we got free preschool and kindergarten done. let's do that nationally. only nine states have preschool. guess what? if you have young kids, preschool is expensive. that's the way to save people money. and contrast your position with donald trump in a family-friendly way that also speaks to people's pocketbook. >> oh, i remember quite well because we're in day care. it was a huge expanse and of course, as a parent, what are you going to do you're working, we have to do about this. interestingly enough, when you talk about these issues, i do wonder how much substance will translate to voters because both are effective communicators, both are showmen, their own rights will this translate to the average voter who wants these answers in this format, this early will

the substance is, of course very important and there's gonna be some people to watch the debate for those reasons, but it's also very important those memorable moments you can do those contrasts on a given take on one of them looking foolish and one of the looking good, one of them saying something that is obviously contrary to facts and being called out in a clever way. so it's the ardor, the debate, right? it's that clever rapport back-and-forth. and obviously people are going to look like an a boxing match. yes. who's the better boxer but also who lands that key punch at the right time. >> this is a rematch. are you concerned in any way that biden is not going to perform in the same way. he has several years ago. >> well, i think before every debate, you know, when you're rooting for a candidate, you're holding your breath state, i hope i hope they do well and i'm sure that donald trump's supporters are holding their breath even harder than joe biden's supporters because it's hard to predict what that guy is gonna do even with his own supporters. absolutely. it's a nail-biter. we're all going to be pulling for joe biden in my corner and wishing him the best about articulating

a very positive, optimistic view of what he wants to get done in the next four years as president of the united states well, we'll see what happens is two days away, governor. thank you so much for joining me. >> always a pleasure jake tapper and dana bash moderate thursday's debate live from atlanta beginning at 9:00 p.m. eastern and also streaming on max donald trump could be soon getting even more vocal ahead of the debate. >> why? >> well, the judge in his hush money trial is lifted several parts of his gag order, who he is now able to go after next final episode of violin they're definitely violence leash message fluxions, hurricane impacts are worsening, is it too late to undo decades of climate change? violin ored with we have schreiber sunday at nine on cnn whether you're moving across town or across the country, you can count on

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the new york judge overseeing donald trump's hush money case partially lifting the gag order ahead of the first presidential debate, allowing the former president's or rail against jurors and witnesses like, well, you probably guessed it, michael cohen and stormy daniels, but prosecutors court staff for isn't their family members. they all remain off-limits. >> so how is trump taking the decision i think partially is very unfair because there are things we have to say that especially in my case, i'm going into a debate and i'm going to have to talk about a gag order what is partial, man? >> that's not very yeah gotta has to be lifted at its entirety i want to bring in retired california superior court judge, love dora is cordell. >> she's the author of her honore, my life on the bench. so good to see you again, judge cordell the last time you and i spoke, you said the judge merchan should not lift the gag order says that circ*mstances have now changed though. why do

you think he moved forward with this modified version that clears his ability to again, attack witnesses, potentially jurors yeah well thank you for having me on again. this all remember that the only reason that trump wants the gag order lifted is to attack and intimidate individuals covered by the order. and by doing so, he wants to incite his maga followers to attack them. >> that's the reason, right so witnesses in the trial who were testified in the trial done now on their own, i send them my thoughts and prayers because they're going to need it jurors are fair game as a group, but individual jurors can be targeted because their personal information remains confidential. >> i would have kept the jurors as a group under the protection of the gag order, because if there is a leak and things leak they would be targets for what

doing their civic duty by participating in a court proceeding so no, i would not have made a partial gag order are lifted part of it. i would have kept it all in place. >> now since it's been lifted, though in that partial manner, if individual jurors were to become victims of a leak or otherwise, is it too late for the judge to reverse course in some way and reinstate ahead of sentencing but i'll tell. >> you first of all, if i read jurors in that case, i'd be i'd be horrified wondering is my information going to get out and that they shouldn't have to worry about something like that. so if there was a lake, the first thing i think the judge should do is get the lawyers back in. it, trump in and find out where this league came from. cause the personal information was given to each side's lawyers. that's on the prosecution side from side. and the may be selected staff, the court said that had the information. so the information came out somewhere that's the

first thing. then is it too late it may be. >> i think if i were the judge, i'd reinstated complete lee but i'd find out who did this. and then of course there would be immediate repercussions some sort of sanctions of fine or maybe some jail time. >> thankfully, we are presently unaware of any leak that has in some ways, when did these jurors as a group or individually more vulnerable? but as far as people like michael cohen, when i was trying manuals, they have often already ben the target ire from the supporters of trump and trump himself. in fact, here is the former trump fixer as he's no megacolon on witnesses like himself. now, being fair game for trump to go after. listen yes. i feel bad for them. i feel bad for myself, but it's what can he say that he has not said already 1,000 times by the way, stormy daniel's. >> your honor, also very deferential to judge merchan decision. and i wonder why do you think that is? i mean, is it because neither of those two are known? one shrinking wall

flowers or violence? is it because both can hold their own? should they be under the same protection as the average juror? >> yeah. >> but first, understand, they're not worried about what donald trump says about them. they're worried about how other people will react to what donald trump says about them. so they're not worried about him saying these things. we've also we've already heard him say these things. so they know what's coming. they have lived in that world for a loan time ever since this case, even before it even started. so there they are prepared. it's best they can be and so i think that's why they're taking it in stride perhaps you're right about that issue. >> i do want to turn quickly if we can to this classified documents case. a very important endeavor. it's a federal case, federal matter here's what we've learned by the way, from the third day of hearings led by a judge, aileen cannon, she's not buying trump's arguments that the mar-a-lago search was somehow improper. she even questioned the trump's team their request

to exclude evidence from the case. there are a number of outstanding motions as you well know, but what does this tell you about how this case? is appearing today just just very quickly you know that the job of a lawyers to make arguments to persuade a judge and the job of the judge is to make a decision make a ruling, and i don't think judge cannon got the memo. >> the delays continue. she heard arguments yesterday, hurt them today. different subject and she has yet to rule on any of them. she's got kind of giving an indication. >> but that's not a ruling and i think there at least half a dozen pending issues on which she has yet to rule so the norm is to eat here motions to dismiss first, because if she grants a motion to dismiss, that's the end of the case. >> there's no trial if she denies the dismissal motions, then the trial moves forward and you have other issues to take up. >> but she's not operating in this fashion. >> she's like random all over the place. it's like judicial chaos. >> so i don't know what's

going to come next or when she will do anything at all because she's all over and i don't know who's giving her advice or if she's getting advice at all. >> but right now, it just doesn't look good and i don't get a sense about where this case is even headed, albeit with no trial date even set yet. >> well, i certainly benefiting the defense for the reasons you've articulated no trial date, nothing on the calendar that has decisions all over it and worst away over the supreme court of the united states decides the issue of immunity, which i think she is hoping might impact her case as well. we can go on about why that's an odd thing as well, judge, the door is cordell. thank you so much. >> thank you up next more on our breaking news, a huge defeat for one of the most progressive democrats in all of congress. >> so what does that mean for the democratic party more broadly? let's talk. about it the most anticipated moment of this election and the stakes

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>> that's not good. happened huge things happen happened speed. >> there were three chop early brende deals at amazon.gov. i'm dr. sanjay gupta in atlanta. and this is cnn we are following the breaking news, new york congressmen jamaal bowman suffering a stinging primary defeat to george latimer. and the most expensive house primary ever. >> it was a double digit laws and a blow to progressives, although both candidates say that they are in fact progressive it was turning me now campaign reporter for the washington post, colby equips, former senior adviser, the bernie sanders 2016 and 2020 presidential campaigns. >> chuck rohde and former deputy communications director for the trump 2016 campaign, bryan lanza. so good to have all of you here. first we begin with you check on this because this is a really important loss. i do wonder from your

perspective, is it a kind of turning point for progressives or is this localized? >> i think it's localized because every districts a little bit different. if you look at all the squad members, most of them are in urban areas where they're voting their constituency. that's how they get reelected. this district is outside of new york city it will report on is a lot of it the majority of it is in westchester county. and after the first time congressman bowman ran, they took 40,000 people in the bronx. there were mainly black working class folks, little jamaican was there. they moved them out and it was no longer there in 2022 when he did have a primer, there was nobody running from westchester. this is not a city district anymore, so i don't think he can weigh him against each other. >> why are you smiling about this? >> it's for me, i look at is trying to avoid the obvious. there's a disturbance in the democratic party with respect to israel, and you've seen it sort of highlighted in this race. you're seeing a highlighted again, you can see that the highlighted democratic convention, you've seen it highlighted into these campuses. there's a major disruption in the democratic party with respect to the israel policy and it's one race here. we'll see another racist and it's just an unavoidable

train wreck that the dems are headed down. and this is just one this is just one stop along the train route. >> i want to make something clear that there was a lot of apec money that i'm sure we're going to talk about the most expensive primary election the history of elections. and as a campaign consultant makes me cry a little bit on the inside because i would like to get a little bit that mosher right? >> exactly. >> but even though apex been a lot of money ironically, when i look back at all the commercials none of them were about israel and palestine but $20 million that was spent on tv. >> we're talking about other issues, but not israel and palestine. >> it was a nasty primary. the ads that were being run, they may not have talked to me but it specifically but there was the elephant in the room? >> yes. and they were all most of them most of the attack ads against him album and were funded by aipac, super pac. >> but to your point, they weren't talking about israel. they were talking about jamaal bowman is legislative record. the fact that he voted against joe biden's infrastructure bill, the fact that he didn't stand with biden uncertain legislative accomplishments and really trying to paint bowman as an outsider, as someone who wasn't looking out for the best interests of the district. and that's something that george latimer was really

selling from the moment that he got into this race was the idea that he is someone they knew. he'd been a local elected official for decades in westchester county quite beloved at to actually among wide swath of the communities in westchester. and so what he was said from the minute he got in, i know you and jamaal bowman does it wasn't some of the ads that were run just to talk about very specifically, they may have mentioned we're talking about what listened to the tenor of it i'm george latimer and whether you live in poor chester greenberg co-op city were fed up with the chaos that's hanging over riots trump extremists in washington, and a congressman spreading lies and conspiracy theories. george latimer has sold out her republican funded aipac voting netanyahu's unpopular war we're biden's calls would be what jamaal bowman always stands up for what's right. i spent my life fighting for children and families. >> this is the many versus the money the many versus the money. first of all that's something that can probably we

use more expansively even outside of new york by there's a congresswoman cori bush that people are talking about right now as vulnerable in her own primary, how worried should she be a think anytime you see this much money spent in any kind of a primary democrat or republican, it makes a big deal because there's only a small all group of people that participate. >> you just had the congressman from new york here earn or not that aoc had beat back in the day we were talking about in the green room, there was only about 10,000 people that even voted in that primary. so when you have a small group of people and a lot of money, it has a big impact and also tonight when we're thinking about patterns, let's remember that aoc could be the queen of the aoc most, most folks would say on the squad, she had a contested primary to not without side of money that came in not near at this level. but if there was a problem, she wouldn't want to not with almost 90% of the vote in the democratic primary, is it? >> excuse me? yeah, it's gonna say apec kind of looked at the field of squad members. they would like to oust every single one of them as they see as antagonistic against israel. but they pick two and they pick jamaal bowman and cori bush as the two that they thought were

most likely to be beat by their primary challengers. and so we saw how much money aipac put into this race. and you can expect a similar amount of money now, put into this august primary, the cori bush has they those two chosen. is it isn't the language right there. we're speaking about, are there other issues in terms of the strength of their opponent? >> they had district range. >> it's both of these members have distributions, aipac jumping in and highlight induce district issues, became the combustible part for jamal and for him, for him for cori bush. >> and she's got district issues two and there's gonna be money coming in. these are going to be the first steps in a lot on process of aipac plane in these races. and you're going to see more and more of members who have your district issues work on them and tried to not not not to appease, but have broad appeal to their constituency, which right now some don't. >> it's also a candidate, candidate quality issue. >> apec kind of looked across the field and thought who can actually beat these members of the squad. >> and in george latimer, who is someone that they really

lobbied and urged to run, especially after the october 7 attacks they saw in latimer someone that could be jamaal bowman was worth spending the $14.5 million that they spent. >> key will quickly we heard from former congressman ali earlier and he said that this when latimer is probably going to likely a nerve, the benefit or please president joe biden, because it shows moderates might be successful. how do you see it? >> i don't think latimer is a moderate. i think that the district is just different. they went into recruited this guy who's already elected countywide in the biggest county that makes up 80% of the district. it's just math the math needs to be mapped and everyone. thank you so much for joining tonight a murder case that has gripped massachusetts is now in the hands of a jury, is karen read the culprit of a romance turned deadly or the victim of a vast police i've rep that's next you have been lied to in this courtroom

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of another police officer. they were there for some kind of an afterparty, but instead of going inside, prosecutors claim read drunkenly drove into o'keefe, fled the scene and then left him to die in the cold the first words in the lead prosecutors closing arguments using reads, own words against her i hate them. >> i hate them. i hit. i hit the defendant on january 29, 2020 but reads defense team has an entirely different story they say she actually dropped off o'keefe at the officer's home and then a fight broke out inside that the home between o'keefe and off-duty officers, the defense claims he was fatally beaten, even mauled by the owners dog, and then tossed out in the snow read says,

those officers then tried to frame her so how does it cover up happen? how could that happen well, let's count the ways. >> shall we hand-pick your investigator? make sure it's someone we know, someone on our side keep them close off from health, offering the gift have secret friends and family meetings. get your story straight. delete your call history, make mysterious phone calls at 2:22 a.m. delete google searches monitor police activity, get rid of evidence, get rid of your dog found like a lot. will totally a case as gripped n divided massachusetts jury selection alone took a week and it's been nine weeks of testimony from about 70 witnesses there's only a handful called by the defense while joining me now, defense attorney peter. elegant. thank you so much for being here. just thinking about how this case has evolved and been described. it is head-spinning to think about what has

happened here. it is so bizarre in that these narratives from each side, i mean, they could not be more different. now, the jury hurry has to grapple with who they're going to believe. so, who do you think made the more convincing argument in this trial well, i think it's sort of a conventional wisdom here among the legal community that the defense is actually a hit on points this was an unusual prosecution. >> they obviously had no eyewitness to what took place, how he died, and even the medical examiner from the state said that blunt force trauma, but she said i don't know if it was a punch or a baseball bat to the head or whether he got hit by the car. so the way that they prosecution's case went in for every witness the defense was able to knock holes in it and then they have the forensic experts on both sides and they both kind of contradicted each other and as you may know, that golf and goes to the benefit of defense because if the jury walks away saying, gee, i heard two sides of the story to experts. i

don't know what happened at that point. you didn't prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt, and that's why at this point, there's been no knockout blow. there hasn't been the aha moment or the smoking gun, are we really got to the bottom of it. there's just so many conflicting stories that and she's got a huge, huge support network to showing up at the courthouse normally people show up at the demonstrated a courthouse because they they hate the defendant here. she's got to be there cheering her and applauding every time she answers the courts. so is that we haven't seen anything like this before, but the passion in the state over this case it's like through the roof i mean, the prosecution, as you talked about the idea of reasonable doubt, maybe coming into the minds of jurors, but they run into some problems. he had the lead investigator in the case has admitted that he sent text to a private group chat calling read a whack job, another saying he found no nudes while searching for phone for evidence investigators apparently used red plastic

cups to collect evidence at the scene and no, i did not miss state that. >> how have these missteps played into the cane and how was the jury reacting to this coming in? >> we were told actually during a lot of that testimony particularly that lead investigators that have been vilified, that they were actually rolling their eyes and putting their hands over their mouth and they were just shocked he was not only saying all these horrible sexist things, things, language, i couldn't use on tv, but making fun of the fact he hadn't multiple sclerosis and crohn's disease. and what was worse though, is that on these on these texts that he sending out to everybody, he pretty much admits what a biased i mean, you happen to be friends with the people inside the house. he should have recused themselves right away, but he admits that i'm not even the bodies found outside the house. he wasn't even going the talk that anybody inside that house or do a search there. he said because he's a police officer. so he pretty much admitted that he didn't do the total job here

and it really was just a shock to everybody that he's doing this texting to friends, the high school friends, to family? he's sending all these text out and even to his superiors who didn't stop them or step on the thing. but it's been major curtis about the really the lack of a thorough, unbiased investigation. >> and frankly, if the jury is hearing that, and of course she has presumption of innocence. she's entitled to it, and she's articulating a conspiracy. is complicated. it's fast that from either from things that have been destroyed in terms of evidence to compromise as you're talking about investigators in this conspiracy that she has been set up, but she has been framed by officers. there's a lot of dots to connect is it enough to raise reasonable doubt with some of these jurors? >> you only need one yes, i think it is. >> here's just questions about every bit of evidence put in. we were able to show the people

in the house are accused of assaulting her. every one of them either got rid of their phone or deleted the phone or they're calling back-and-forth all night long to each other. and yet all of them playing where where but dileeni use the vernacular there was just so many credibility problems, but particularly the investigation was the chief investigated wasn't even didn't even interview many of the witnesses until a year later. so there's so many holes in it that they're just they just reasonable doubt you could drive a truck through here. it's just extraordinary. and that's why juries can fool us. i've been shocked before and you probably have. we've all been seen juries where we just they'll come out with a result that we can't imagine that they came to. but at the moment though it looks like there's so much reasonable doubt here. that the conventional wisdom, the betting money seems to be on that she will be acquitted no guarantees is ever guarantee, but my heart goes out to the family of the victi

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