Creator pages should be more index like (2024)

Most creator pages really shouldn't have trope lists the way works do. Not too long ago, their was a real life chain of revolutions dubbed by some as the 'Arab Spring' and our page on it was axed because people insisted on applying fictional tropes to real life events. Apparently that was too tacky for us.

That's fair but if we aren't putting down trope lists for important world changing events we shouldn't be having trope lists for real people either. Take Tyler Perry, he's Ambiguously Gay? Hate him or love him but that is none of our business. In fictional characters, there are obvious examples of ambiguity but we shouldn't be sticking that label on real people.

Now if Tyler Perry has works featuring ambiguously gay people in them, that's fine but it should go on pages for those works in question, not on the page for the author himself. The creator pages should be limited to the works they did, events they were apart of and maybe some tropes they named but not any further when its clear we can start removing the author from the picture.

Alicia Keys is Bi The Way? That is a trope that is inarguable when done to fictional characters but if a real life person denies it then whatever testimonies or rumors that suggest otherwise do not matter because we are not here to judge people, just put down tropes. As a performance artists, her page should at most have tropes that apply to her performances but that's an exception that should really only be made when it is impossible to separate the artist from their work.

In that since The Undertaker's trope list could probably remain too but people like Tyler Perry can be removed for the narrative atmosphere of their work so the trope list really should not be there. Even when they are to integral, we should be talking about what The Undertaker does as The Undertaker, not blabbering on the man who plays him, especially when, it is not really our business.

This goes for the larger scale too. Nintendo's page crosses over into other territory, now we're not only applying fictional tropes where they need not apply, we're making a long page unnecessarily longer. The list of works created, people associated and general history could each be a book to themselves, the tropes should be left to the works they apply to.

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There are exceptions there though, Artists, and Authors have their pages as pages for their work. Alicia Keys should have tropes about her work. Not her personal life though. We're not here to trope personal lives. We're here to trope people in media. If she uses Bi The Way in a song, then it counts. If she doesn't, it shouldn't be on the page.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.-Philip K. Dick

Does the logic for not troping real people also apply for using fewer tropes in relation to documentaries? I get a bit uncomfortable when people talk about how something like Grizzly Man conforms to fictional patterns.

(Then again, there can be tropes in the means documentaries use to present information—unusual camera angles and the like. Someone's life can't be troped at all, unless they shape their whole life to the spotlight.)

edited 12th Mar '12 1:19:15 PM by feotakahari

That's Feo . . . He's a disgusting, mysoginistic, paedophilic asshat who moonlights as a sh*tty writer—Something Awful

It looks like we agree then. Strictly work index except in cases where they can't be removed from the work, such as musicians or professional wrestlers but even then, just to lyrics and or gimmicks, not their life style's or sexual preference. In the case of Tyler Perry, we don't watch Tyler Perry, we watch his plays and movies. We don't play Nintendos, we play Mario and Pokemon so we don't need anything about them besides their works, or in companies cases, employees and affiliates.

Edit:Feotakahari, documentaries are works, so I assume a trope list would apply. Of course, not all tropes apply to every work. There isn't much plot in a documentary but there would be a setting. Changes are there is No Antagonist but there there will never be a Big Bad. I'd just remove what's wrong in that case, but what should and should not be in documentaries might require another thread.

edited 12th Mar '12 2:44:15 PM by Cider

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Documentaries are works, and they're edited in such a way that they're not perfect views of Real Life, merely through a mirror darkly. Troping them is fine.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.-Philip K. Dick

There are many creators who use the same tropes over and over in their works, and I don't see why a creator page shouldn't mention that.

For example, all of the tropes on Nippon Ichi appear in multiple games of theirs, and many of them appear in most or all of them. For example, Absurdly High Level Cap and Sprite/Polygon Mix are found in almost all of their titles, and in fact they're (in)famous for them.

I agree that we shouldn't have tropes about the creators, but tropes they tend to use seems very on target for our mission.

edited 12th Mar '12 1:27:00 PM by ccoa

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.

Does it apply the same way in every work? Are you sure it wouldn't be better of read as "The Disgea series provides examples of" or that every instance in question happens exactly the same way each time? You can already pick out examples that don't apply to every work they've done just by going through the trope list. "From such and such on...", "In ___", ect.

edit:I'll admit, that page doesn't really cover most of my initial complaints but I'm not seeing much that wouldn't be better off on a works page regardless.

edited 12th Mar '12 1:37:42 PM by Cider

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I've been very vigilant on that page in making sure that no trope appears that does not apply to at least two games, preferably more.

A great deal of them apply to all of their games (yes, in the same way) or to all of their Strategy RPGs, which is the majority of their games.

I'm sure those tropes are on the works pages, but noting a pattern across a creator's works is harmless at worst and informative at best.

edited 12th Mar '12 1:57:58 PM by ccoa

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.